Over at Bonalds, in a post entitled Liberalism and Its Hosts (https://bonald.wordpress.com/2011/12/29/liberalism-and-its-hosts/), a deep discussion of reactionary principles is ongoing, based on Daybreaker’s theory that Jews are the perfect carriers of Liberalism, as their own racism and religious exclusionism provide them with enough of an inoculant to resist the corrosive effects that Liberalism has on others.
The flaw in this argument, I pointed out, is that Jews are not immune to its corrosive effects, but are in fact, among its primary victims. Jews (in America) are shrinking in numbers, both religiously and demographically. This is due to both a low birth rate and a loss due to out-conversions, i.e. people leaving the faith.
If being Jewish (ethnically or religiously) offered an inoculant against Liberalism, we should not be seeing these results. The only Jewish ethnic group with a positive birth rate is the Jewish religious fundamentalists, and they are not what you would call carriers of Liberal culture.
If Not Jews, than Who?
Daybreaker asked, “can you tell us something about the people who are suffering the effects less? How does their system work?”
The answer is clearly, none. All groups who adopt Liberalism are ingesting a suicide pill. Liberalism is death, culturally, and it leads to death, genetically.
Apparently, Kevin Macdonald concludes “that for the long term the troubles of the Jewish people are greatly exaggerated.” I’m not sure who else is facing worse troubles. Among ethnic groups, the Jews are joined by Russians and Japanese as groups who are currently DEPOPULATING, more dying than being born.
What else could be worse? And they are starting from a small number to begin with, unlike the Russians and Japanese, who have tens of millions in surplus population.
Will Jewish Power Disappear?
Jewish economic power is responsible for Jewish cultural power, and, no, of course it will not disappear overnight. Especially given Jewish cultural norms of seeking professional and intellectual employment, it is not as if Jewish Liberal power is going to evaporate even with decreasing numbers.
But we need to separate cause and effect here. Jews ARE being devastated by Liberal corrosion. Their economic and cultural power helps mask that devastation, but it is still real.
Note: in an odd paradox, the genetic corrosion actually strengthens the economic/cultural power of the Jews (or any low-birthrate group, such as, say, homosexuals). People without children devote more effort to economic pursuits, have a lot more disposable income, and can thereby leverage their opinions much farther in the cultural realm, through donations to various cultural and political groups that represent their Liberal point of view.
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"Among ethnic groups, the Jews are joined by Russians and Japanese as groups who are currently DEPOPULATING, more dying than being born."
EVERY European ethnic group (with the possible exception of the Albanians) has a TFR below replacement level. Germans have been dying at a faster than they have being born for the last THIRTY YEARS. Meanwhile, Israeli Jews have a TFR of 2.97 as of 2010.
If Jews (or those who identify as Jews and are are generally perceived as such by the Jewish community as a whole)in the US (the only important part of the diaspora that matters) fall below some critical level there is a "reserve army" of Jews available in the official Jewish homeland. Since there always plenty of non-Jews available to support the vital elements needed to maintain hegemony (mainly aggressive secular hedonism and several flavors of Zionism ranging from Labour-Hollywood to Likudnik-Avigdor Lieberman ethno-nationalist) falling numbers in the diaspora don't seem that important.
Thanks, Anonymous. This is the point. Judaism pervasively develops such "reserve armies" because there is always a righteous remnant in waiting. This applies to the Diaspora and Israel, and to both Diaspora communities internally, with the most religiously zealous, culturally insulated and ethnocentric breeding fastest. That is how the black hats are taking over Israel. And that is how the Diaspora has already displayed amazing staying power in comparison to non-Jewish groups with similar opportunities to mingle.
Moreover, this isn't like Cletus the moron breeding improvidently while the brainy extinguish themselves. In all the black hat breeding pools, every girl wants to marry a great rabbi, and fitness is tested in argument and in trials of studiousness, intelligence and zealous ethnocentrism, constantly.
It is very hard for White rivals without such peculiar arrangements to thrive in the toxic social environment created by the liberal influence that organized Jewry exerts.
It would also be hard for Whites to establish similar arrangements for the survival of their own race. First, their Christian and other moral and religious leaders won't cooperate, as unlike Jewish leaders they are not committed to the survival of the race of people they have led. Second, such groups would be attacked, socially and legally.
Thanks for the comments, guys. Given, I was discussing American Jews, I am aware that Israeli Jews have a higher TFR.
But you are victim to a logical fallacy, of false uniqueness. Jews you say, have a "reserve army" of heavily breeding fundamentalists in their homeland, but the same can be said of just about every ethnic group. Shall we consider Mormons or the Amish such a "reserve army" for Christians?
Aside from the fact, that argument is also a red herring. I already stated that fundamentalists have higher breeding rates, but they are not "carriers of liberalism". All White racial groups have fundamentalist groups that have higher breeding rates.
Your suggestion that Christian groups haven't formed racially affirming religious groups is also contradicted by such groups as the Kinists and Christian Identity groups. Yes, they are opposed, but they exist. Christianity as a whole is considered a "universal" religion, but many mainstream groups in the past have seen a positive role for racialism in their religion as well.
Justin: "Shall we consider Mormons or the Amish such a "reserve army" for Christians?"
I considered that. There's some truth in it. After all, White demographics would be much worse without such groups.
But the big difference is that the Jews of the "field army" in possession of the social levers of power (but with the relatively low fertility that follows from such a corrupted lifestyle) and the Jews of the "reserve army" with little direct access to power (but with excellent demographics and strong selective breeding for intelligence and other qualities that are adaptive from a group selection point of view) are basically on the same page about being part of one people with one God, a shared fate, a collective common interest, and the same ultimate nation, Israel. The powerful use their power with the utmost vigor for the common interest of the tribe, above all for Israel. In a sense, the powerful are living an altruistic lifestyle. Though they enjoy every luxury, their direct reproductive success is less than it might be if they did not seek power so avidly - but their total reproductive success in favoring their kin is much greater, and they are aware of that, and rewarded morally and by the approval of others they recognize as fellow MOTs. (Members of the Tribe.)
Now, does the same mutually supportive relationship exist between Whites with high social power / low fertility lifestyles and Whites with low social power / high fertility lifestyles? Are SWPLs smoothing the path for working class and religiously fundamentalist Whites in every way they can, and taking care of their national and collective interests? It is to laugh. Bitterly.
Justin: "Your suggestion that Christian groups haven't formed racially affirming religious groups is also contradicted by such groups as the Kinists and Christian Identity groups. Yes, they are opposed, but they exist."
Here's what I think about that: GOOD FOR THEM! According to my model, that's what they ought to be trying, in spite of all opposition.
I have no interest in providing a neat, theoretically perfect model of why there is no hope and why we might as well give up and wallow in degeneracy and wait for the end. I don't respect people who think like that.
I want stuff that "contradicts my model" in that according to me this should be as tough as ice-skating up a hill, but if it can be made to work it means life, and people are making it.
That said, you want me to justify that stuff about the House of Israel being special, don't you? OK, that's why I put in that stuff about the relative power of Goldman Sachs and a piggy bank, Hollywood as a Jewish cartel versus church flyers, and the kind of technology associated with the American and Israeli war machines versus the horse and buggy.
I think the track record of the Jewish people through the ages is unique, but maybe you don't. But surely you have to concede that Jewish prominence is extraordinary? The majority of money in American presidential elections seems to be Jewish, it's not Kinist.
That kind of power shapes culture, laws and enforcement or non-enforcement of taboos in your favor and to the detriment of out-groups you disfavor. It's why Whites forming collectives that insist their children marry White is taboo, while Jews organizing to prevent out-marriage is lovable. That kind of power can give those who have it at least a partial shield against a corrosive value system - provided that those who have the power are using it for the good of their less powerful kin.
"The flaw in this argument, I pointed out, is that Jews are not immune to its corrosive effects, but are in fact, among its primary victims. Jews (in America) are shrinking in numbers, both religiously and demographically. This is due to both a low birth rate and a loss due to out-conversions, i.e. people leaving the faith."
There is some truth to this but also much untruth.
1. Jews may no longer be religious Jewish, but there is another sense of Jewishness that is more powerful. It is centered around the Holy Victimology of Holocaustianity. Being Jewish in the modern world is less a religious matter than one of cultural/racial/historical identity. One doesn't have to be Jewish in faith to be Jewish in identity. Given the centrality of the Holocaust to the political, social, cultural, and historical narrative, one could argue that today's Jews are more Jewish than ever.
2. Jews may be shrinking in numbers--though this is not the case among Orthodox Jews(but then many Orthodox Jews grow up to become secular liberal Jews, e.g. Peter Beinart)--, but Jewish power was never centered on demographics(except in Israel where Jews are the majority). Jewish power is based on quality than quantity. Jews are 2% of the US, after all, but as long as they control most of the elite institutions that decide what enterprises get financed, which foreign policy is prioritized, who becomes president and judges, and who controls the media and academia, Jewish power will continue to be the most crucial in America(and the world).
Also, since the future will be determined by high-tech and since Jews have the highest IQ, Jews will keep winning.
Another thing. Some people think Jews will fade away as an ethnic group because of high rates of intermarriage, but it's not like Jews are marrying into gentile society bur rather that the best of gentile community is marrying into the Jewish community. Chelsea Clinton married the son of Marc Rich, and surely their kids are going to be raised with a degree of Jewish consciousness. Amy Chua the Chinese-American professor married a Jewish guy, and her daughters are to be raised as Jews. (With the rise of China, Jewish-Chinese marriages may prove to be beneficial to Jews since Chinese-Jewish children may serve as business/cultural conduits in the future between rising China and the globalist Jewish community.)
Jews don't just marry any gentiles. Since Jews are smart and successful, they marry the best of gentiles--thus, the best and brightest of the gentiles are
co-opted into the Jewish community while rest of gentile society lose their top brains to Jews. So, it's not a case of Jews melding into gentile society but of the best/brightest goyim melding into Jewish society. When a Jewish guy marries a very smart Chinese girl, smart Chinese genes is melding into the Jewish community. When a smart rich wasp marries a Jew, their kids will likely be raised with a sense of Jewish heritage and identity. And why shouldn't they? There is a great deal of advantage in being half-Jewish. Other rich Jews will favor you for promotion in elite institutions. Also, you can play the Holocaust card and attack all your critics and opponents as 'antisemites'.
It's like when a white woman has a child with a Negro, the kid is considered black and adopts a black identity since it is beneficial morally--'we poor victims of past injustice'--and financially in the form of affirmative action. Whites lose while blacks gain through interracism.
Similarly, when smart Asians and whites(and some blacks)marry into the Jewish community, they take on an aspect of Jewish identity. Being part Jewish is a great blessing in our society. It means you belong to the Holy Holocaust Race. Why would anyone with even an ounce of Jewish blood give up that glorious title?
"Among ethnic groups, the Jews are joined by Russians and Japanese as groups who are currently DEPOPULATING, more dying than being born."
Depopulation is not a problem as long as one's nation is shielded from immigration-invasion. Let's say Japan in 50 yrs will have 70 million than 100 million. Well, 70 million Japanese in Japan means it's still a nation called Japan owned by Japanese. Suppose Japanese population goes down to 50 million. Well, 50 million is still a large number of people(in a nation the size of California), and it will still belong to Japan.
So, I don't much fear the declining population in Japan or Europe AS LONG AS there is no massive immigration from and high birthrates among Africans and Muslims.
If Germany loses 20 million people in the next 50 yrs, it's okay as long as Germany still belongs to Germans. But if Germany loses 20 million Germans but gains 20 million Muslims, that is a problem.
The real problem of Russia is not so much depopulation but rise of Muslim populations.
What Andrea Ostrov Letania said is all correct.
Also, Jews involved with the conversion and intermarriage issues are well aware that both mostly involve the less fertile segment of the Jewish population, the part that is gradually having a smaller genetic footprint in the tribe over-all. So the danger that the Jewish people would be diluted by this is minimal.
Dogma and prejudice remain strong. Intermarriage is despised even though useful, and converts go straight to the bottom of the social pecking order, with the worst marriage prospects. This means that the problems that intermarriage creates for Whites are well contained within Jewry. There is little by the way of divided loyalties, and no problem with a "half and half" group that it would be morally agonizing to reject. There's no problem with rejection; it's up to the convert or intermarried partner to win and keep acceptance, which they do.
A penumbra of people with confused identities and one-way loyalty results. Everyone, or let's say a lot of people to leave out exceptions like the late Bobby Fischer, who has some Jewish blood regards themselves as somewhat Jewish, even if halachically they are not, and they adjust their loyalties accordingly. (This also boosts their ability to play the Holocaust! and Antisemitism! cards.) And they will certainly be favored over gentiles with no such connection, but not at the expense of real Jews.
Just as Jews prefer gentiles not to be aware how well they are going collectively (despite the inevitable bragging about individual success), they prefer gentiles not to grasp how tough, integral and relatively impermeable the system is.
Here's how the breakdown of Jews from generation goes, at least as it was explained to me. Suppose you have a very good Chabad family, eight smart kids. (This is possible. The Lubavichers like to breed for intelligence as much as any other Jews, but they discourage university education and its consequence delayed fertility - while of course making full use of the educations of converts who have already sacrificed their years.) The good kids maintain the same lifestyle in the next generation, but the less less group-minded, loyal, connected kids, maybe the ones who have trouble keeping up or maybe the ones who are the smartest and think they can do anything (and are right) go mainstream Orthodox or (G_d forbid) Conservative. That will be a smaller family, maybe four kids, tops, and only a small chance that any of them will be brought back to a more frumme lifestyle. More likely, in the next generation they will be going Liberal / Reform and having two kids, one or none, and in the next generation if there is one: married out. So it's a religious tragedy, a conveyor belt that constantly takes people out of Judaism within a few generations.
What it is not is a genetic threat.
Can you see how the Jewish people can rebound tremendously in fertility whenever the opportunity arises for more Jews to life a frumme lifestyle? And that from a purified population base: the best, most loyal, smartest and least interbred Jews.
And can you see how little it matters (except as a tragedy that any Jew is lost to Judaism) if a portion of the least fertile and most interbred population gradually melts away?
That is, provided that the elite keeps its power and is still willing and able to use it for the benefit of Judaism and Israel. But that is definitely the case.
Assimilation is highly undesirable of course. But is it a threat to Judaism in the way that low fertility plus a racially alien influx plus forced integration is a threat to White populations? No. No "vital organs" are touched.
"The only Jewish ethnic group with a positive birth rate is the Jewish religious fundamentalists, and they are not what you would call carriers of Liberal culture."
I think this is what you are missing about the structure I outlined in my comment to Bonald.
For Whites, negative fertility for group X, the bearers of ideas Y and Z, would mean the decline of ideas Y and Z. There is no organic relationship between a "field army" and "reserve army".
The limits of what Whites can do are not the limits on what Jews can do.
Day, no one can argue against the facts of Jewish self-interest and communal success. These are obvious facts. Unfortunately, most of your argument boils down to highlighting those things. Their racism and high IQ indeed give them a huge advantage. But their low birthrate and out-conversion rate are realities. If they were "perfect vectors for liberalism" they would not show those effects. The non-urban, non-professional, religious-minded people of all races (not just Jews) have higher birthrates. Jews are not unique in that regard.
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