Monday, August 9, 2010

Mary Winkler Update - M.S. Hoax?

Mary Winkler is now apparently suffering from Multiple Sclerosis. She is not working, and is being supported by family money, and probably, state assisitance. She lost the use of her right hand and foot for awhile, although under the support of a physical therpist, she has recovered fully. Although, apparently her eyes are also affected, so a desk job in front of a computer is not an option either. Commenters have questioned whether the condition is even genuine, as MS is notoriously easy to fake.

Watch her bright and sunny disposition while discussing her life, here http://www.wmctv.com/Global/story.asp?S=12417574.

Mary is the poster child for the sexist double standards of the legal system and culture at large (the "gynocracy"). Basically, she killed her husband in cold blood, and got away with a miniscule sentence and had custody of her kids back in 2 years. Sordid details follow:

On March 22 2006, Mary woke up at 6:15am, walked to her closet, pulled out a shotgun, and shot her sleeping husband in the back while he lay in bed. The shotgun blast penetrated his spinal column and lungs, and he was spitting blood bubbles as he rolled out of bed, asking "Why" and attempting to crawl to the phone. Mary ripped the phone from the wall, and left her husband to slowly die on the floor.

Their three young daughters were in the house with them at the time, and the oldest came in to find out what was going on and what was wrong with daddy. The 8-year old and the 6-year old actually saw their father lying on the floor groaning. Mary hustled the three girls out of the house, fleeing the state, taking the shotgun with her.

While on trial, Mary played the "abused wife" card. The dead husband, of course, was unable to defend himself from the slanderous charge of being a long-time physical, emotional, and sexual abuser. There were no previous court records or police reports of any abuse, and the husband's public esteem as a local minister was spotless. The 8-year old daughter testified at the trial that her father had never been ugly to her mommy. In her first statement to police, Mary specifically denied that her husband had ever been abusive.

Nonetheless, she duped the jury into sympathy. Ten of the 12 jurors were women, and at the first post-trial vote, 9 of those women voted to acquit her of all charges. The voluntary manslaughter conviction was a compromise verdict, and Mary ended up serving less than half a year in prison, with some additional time in a mental institution.

Upon her release, she sued for custody of her three daughters, whom her dead husband's parents had taken custody of. Within a year, she had received custody (apparently with the grandparent's cooperation).

79 comments:

Kinderling said...

The mind is a wonderful truth machine, it is called conscience.

Just because the State released her from jail for her murder, it does not mean her mind has, so rather than an innocent person coming out free and relieved to start her new life again; she has MS the autoimmune self-attack mechanism, that overdrive of over-production defence anitbodies due to her denial, and attacking her body.

Get her to face her truth then her body will balance and heal itself. And Jesus was called a miracle worker.

So what does a person in denial get into? Into nursing, into "helping" others for how else can a murderer hide than by making their works their Belief for the Salvation of an Apostle.

And where were the inlaws? With their 'Faith of Forgiveness' so every priest can be returned to abusing the child.

Suffer the podgy little children.

Justin said...

K, I tend to agree with you, my first thought was "psychosomatic". Now, she apparently can't be a nurse, though, so I don't see how she is going to be able to help others. Oh wait, I know, she will next attempt to be a Mental Health Counselor!

Anonymous said...

I guess you have M.S. and know all about this disease? I have a member of the family who has this horrible disease. One day can be better than the next. I am sick of everyone judging. I find it interesting you state "The truth shall set you free" in your blog. So, "GOD" let me ask you this will you put yourself on the goat or sheep side on the day of judgement? >smile< I am betting by your judgement you won't be saying "Baa".

Justin said...

If you are sick of everyone judging, anon, why are you judging me?

Anonymous said...

i was an abused child from 5 till 18,then abused as a wife,i was married to someone who would bite me up to 5 times,everytime,broke my fingers,kicked me in the back over and over till i had bruises as big as his foot,i was very young and didnt have the mind that i have today,thank god there are women who fight back.no man should EVER touch a child or woman,and for you people who"dont get involved" you are a shame to this earth.GET INVOLVED.

Anonymous said...

She got away with murder. Literally.

Anonymous said...

First of all, her husband, Matthew, being a preacher, what was he doing living with a gun in his house? Doesn't the scripture say something like, you live by the sword you die by it. I could be paraphrasing. It's found somewhere in the book of Matthew Holy Bible. And apparently, he must had been an abusive husband for her to go off like that. The way she looks, doesn't look like she could kill a flea. She is so tiny.

Anonymous said...

No one has the right to judge. The only people who know what happened in that home are she and her husband. God will judge. He has a plan! In the end every one of us will be held accountable for our actions and until then we should be loving, compassionate and forgiving as our Lord Jesus has been to us! There is a reason for everything. We cannot possibly understand what our Lord's final work will look like, we have to trust and believe in his promise and keep our minds and hearts focused on HIM. Do not judge lest ye be judged.

Anonymous said...

Justin, spoken like a true man. IF you knew anything you would know that this type of thing is prevelant in the church, and especially among pastors. (uh,....they are mere flesh just like the rest of the body of christ)...I know because I went throught the same exact abuse she speaks of and by traveling and hearing other ministers wives stories, it is more prevelant and acceptable than we care to admit. I'm not excusing her behavior, but I've been there myself and would lie awake thinking "how could I smother him and get away with it"...To have not just your husband, but your "covering" your pastor, continue to abuse you and then pretend to be something else, has a way of messing with your mind...only Christ and what he did, sets us free from all that....He came to set us free....we all are guilty in and of our own selves.

Anonymous said...

God's grace has shined through. ALL of us have sinned and are capable of evil, yet there is forgiveness available for ALL through Jesus Christ. It is up to God how He decides to judge. It is evident that He chose to show His grace & mercy in Mary's life - the short jail time, healing process and her family being reunited. God bless her family.

Anonymous said...

I know Mary Winkler is telling the truth. My soul bears witness with her soul. She was left with no options. There is no place in the church for an abused woman to turn. Divorce is not an option. I tried to go to pastors. The pastor's advice was that I should remain in the house with this man. I had a life sentence of abuse at the hands of a man I married when I was just 19 yrs old. In the church, it's so easy for men to hide their abusiveness. An abused wife is trapped in the marriage and the church won’t let her out. After 20 yrs, I left the church and I left my abuser. It took another 4 years to be divorced. I still wish death upon him for what he has done to me and my 3 children. I still suffer the pain and memories that lie just under the surface. God has blessed me with a new life without abuse. I am healing. Thank you, Mary, for speaking out and telling the truth about abuse. Thank you for helping all of us that have suffered at the hands of a man. The truth that Jesus doesn't want us to suffer in silence has set us free.

Justin said...

Anon, I think you are PROJECTING.

Jean said...

Justin, Do you have the ability to empathize? "Empathy is the action of understanding, being aware of, being sensitive to, and vicariously experiencing the feelings, thoughts, and experience of another of either the past or present without having the feelings, thoughts, and experience fully communicated in an objectively explicit manner; also : the capacity for this"
So you haven't been abused to the point of Post Trumatic Stress Disorder but perhaps you can empathize with someone who has? Or maybe not. Thank God the Judge and juror's who heard ALL of the evidence were able to empathize.

Anonymous said...

Shame on ALL of you that are judging this womans actions. This man was putting his hands over the childs mouth when it would cry and it was just a matter of time before the child was murdered. A woman doesnt just wake up one day and decide to MURDER the father of her two children. My husband tried to murder me one night and then told everyone that would listen that I deserved it. UNLESS YOU HAVE BEEN ABUSED SHUT UP UNTIL YOU KNOW WHAT IT IS LIKE TO WALK A FEW FEET IN OUR SHOES! JUST SHUT UP AND LEAVE YOUR COMMENTS TO YOURSELF. THATS LIKE SAYING I KNOW HOW YOU FEEL LOSING A CHILD AND YOU HAVE NEVER LOST A CHILD! iM SO SICK OF ALL YOU POS'S ACTING LIKE YOU KNOW IT ALL JUST KEEP YOUR OPINIONS TO YOURSELF BECAUSE I GUARANTEE YOU THAT IF YOU WERE EVER ABUSED YOU WOULD BE SAYING SOMETHING DIFFERENT!

Justin said...

Jean, yes, I have the ability to empathize. I empathize strongly with THE HUSBAND, who WAS MURDERED, whose last vision was of his wife pulling the phone cord out of the wall, leaving him to choke on his blood.

And I emphasize with THE CHILDREN, who SAW THEIR DADDY moaning in pain on the floor, before his murderer whisked them out of the house.

Are you incapable of empathizing with a man or child who has suffered because of a woman's actions? I suspect you are a victim of feminism, which damages many women's ability to have positive human feelings towards men.

Justin said...

Anon, again, you are projecting. There was no evidence this man was abusive. Mary herself denied it, before she changed her strategy in her trial.

You say that women don't just wake up and decide to murder their husbands, implying that abuse must have been her motivation.

But we know her motivation: she had lost her family savings in a Nigerian check cashing scam. The police were on the phone with her the entire day. She snapped under the pressure.

Jean said...

That’s the way ABUSERS get away with abuse. It’s HIDDEN. Then, like in this case, when the abused cannot see any other way out, the ACCUSERS say “there is no evidence”. That’s the way abuse often works. There are the abusers and the enablers.

The phone was unplugged in the bedroom, just like in the hotel room where Mary and the kids had stayed, because the baby played with the phone.

I am fully capable of empathizing with men that have suffered at the hands of abusive women. It’s probably more devastating to them because it robs them of their masculinity.

I am now married to the most wonderful, thoughtful, understanding man. He is what a husband and father are supposed to be. He can empathize with me and my children for what we suffered even though there is no evidence that we were abused. No 911 calls. No hospital bills. Just the evidence that is visible on my soul and the souls of my children.

It’s people like you that enable abusers to continue because there is NO EVIDENCE.

By the way, the world is round.

melinda said...

I've read a lot of blog comments in my time, but I've never read so many mis-guided crazy comments in one place before. Religious people make me sick. Why can't they see that Mary Winkler is guilty as sin. She murdered her husband and got off. What did her husband do that was so bad? If he deserved to die, then most men do. Justin, you deserve a medal for bothering with these insane people.

Anonymous said...

These comments are why I do not like christians!!! Ya are so hipocritical...& think you are better because of your beliefs.....but ya are the first to get drunk.....cheat....lie....& steal....how dare you judge Mary Winkler!!! I thought chrstians weren't suppose to judge others...I thought the only one to judge christians was Jesus...so glad I'm a Pagan!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Were any of ya behind their closed doors....do any of you know what her life was like with this man.....do any of you really care for this woman as a human??? Do any of you understand her mental unstability. I feel sorry for her....I know what it's like to live with a man who forces you to do things that you think aren't right.....& who physically abuses you....humiliates you....verbally & emotionally abuses you. No, I didn't kill him....but did on more than one occassion try to kill myself......after 6 yrs of hell....I finally left with my 2yr old son.....I moved over 500 miles away to get away from that man. Mary was doing what she was told by a very male chauvinestic pig who thought his wife was suppose to be subservent.....I believe she had a mental melt down & out of desperation did what she did.....Would you be saying this stuff if it had happened to your family??? That's what I thought. Show this woman some compassion.....& reread your Bibles.....& aske yourself....WWJD??????

Justin said...

melinda, thank you for your comments.

anon, you ask, "how dare we just Mary Winkler!!!" umm, well, she did kill her husband, who was sleeping peacefully in his bed.

By your own admission, you are projecting your feelings onto Mary. IF she truly was being abused, she should have done what any sane person would do: get a divorce.

btw, I find it funny how you, a pagan, attempt to use Christain shaming language against Christians. With your "WWJD" "judge not" & "read your bible", you just sound pathetic.

just Stacy said...

1. Not all "Christians" are hypocrites.
2. The "church" that you are speaking of is NOT in the position of protecting abusers. The use of "pastors" in the church is not a term that is used except for the elders or overseers. Ministers/preachers are what they are called.
3. Mary will answer for her sins with the ultimate judge, and all this second-guessing is no good for anyone or anything except interfering in the work of the Lord.

Anonymous said...

Someone on here said that unless we had been abused, then keep our mouths shut and that people would be saying something different if they had been abused. Well i was abused at a point in my life and i agree with the people you are complaining about. I think Mary Winkler got away with murder and she should still be in jail to this day and for many years to come. What she did was wrong and she contradicted herself so many times. I mean first she says she wasn't abuse and then she says she was. She said she remembered thinking the boom of the gun wasn't as loud as she thought it would be, yet she said the murder wasn't premeditated and that it was an accident the gun went off. If you actually read information about the case, you would probably agree with me that Mary Winkler murdered her husband in cold blood and then tried to cover it up with the whole "abuse" story. She is blaming a man who can't even defend himself. That's just plain wrong.

Anonymous said...

I know Mary Winkler. She is such a kind and caring woman! I knew Matthew also. He was my preacher! No one knows what really happened behind closed doors and no one ever will! Matthew was a wonderful preacher and you were always clinging on to every word he said cause he spoke from the Bible! I believe that something terrible was going on in the household cause you could tell it in the Church also. Me myself coming from an abusive relationship know the signs. You know when a woman is mentally or physically abused. It's not hard to see the signs. No abused woman is going to openly admit they are abused even after something terrible has happened. You will always make up excuses! Mary has over come a lot of things and I think that her having her 3 girls back is the best thing ever! She is a wonderful mother and she deserves those girls and the girls deserve their mother! I know most of you are probably thinking how can you say she should have her children. You didn't see Mary with her kids. She was the type of mother every mother wants to be! Everyone gets their judgement day but it's not by people! It's by God and He in the end will judge us all! No as Christians we are not to judge or gossip! I think EVERYONE should sit down and read their Bibles! God's word truly helps everyone!

Zebra said...

I certainly won't shed any tears over the death of the abusive preacher Matt Winkler. You reap what you sow.

Best of luck to Mary.

Anonymous said...

Mary Winkler murdered her husband in cold blood and got away with it because she is a woman. Women that are abused should be outraged that she used the battered woman syndrome. As usual the man could say nothing because he was dead.There is a much higher power than the courts and one day she will answer to God. I feel really sorry for her children. Unlike Matthews parents Icould never forgive her.I hope eventually she gets what she deserves.

Anonymous said...

I knew Mary when she was a little girl. She grew up in a difficult family situation that could easily have given her many distorted views. Unlike most of the writers here, I have sympathy for her, because she simply did not have a chance to be a normal woman. I prefer to be anonymous because I am well known to her family.

Anonymous said...

All of you who believe the alleged stories of abuse that the defense made up during the trial are the ones that P.T. Barnum was referring to when he famously said "There's a sucker born every minute."

Anonymous said...

I know Matthew Winkler's family and I don't believe the things she said in her trail. There was something going on in that house, what I don't know. I do know her two lawyers have held seminars for other lawyers and spelled out exactly what the did to " get her off" Including purchasing the infamous slutty shoe. He may have been emotionally or verbally abusive, but the sex thing was made up plain and simple. No matter what was going on if anything that does not give her the right to shoot him in the back..Get up in the night and take the girls if you are being abused. There are other things she could have done. God will Judge us all. She will answer to Him for her actions.

Anonymous said...

I've never seen such craziness from people in these blogs, esp. Anon.
There is such a thing called 'DIVORCE' which can be used instead of 'MURDER'.

Anonymous said...

I wish Mr. Winkler could have testified - there are always two sides to a story. I believe even though she isn't behind bars - her life has become her prison. Of course her parents are taking good care of the girls - they are their son's children - they are all they have left of him. I knew immediately she was a hoax when shortly after her release she immediately took up drinking and smoking - caught on film. A minister's wife doesn't just pick that up one day.

Anonymous said...

The people here who say the husband got what he deserved amaze me. Even if, and I reiterate if he did abuse her, the punishment for domestic abuse is not execution....so why did Mary get to be his accuser, judge and jury for Matthew and decide he should die. She was sly and weak. I do not feel sorry for her. There are 1000's a women each day that get up and go file for divorce from abusive husbands. Don't blame the church, don't blame the victim and don't even blame the Nigerian check scam (I mean was she living in a hole and never heard of that scam) Guilty and got away with it.

Anonymous said...

This blog is interesting. Who is Anon??

Anonymous said...

Interesting...

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Interesting....

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Interesting....

Anonymous said...

Whatever the circumstances. The fact still remains she shot him in the back while he was sleeping. That is murder, not manslaughter. So is it ok to shot people that treat us wrong? She got away with murder plain and simple.

Anonymous said...

It will be interesting to see Lifetime movie about her tonight. I was shocked she got away with this injustice. It's pretty obvious she 'was a wonderful wife and mother' by getting involved with the check-kiting scam. And for all those who say it was obvious she was abused by her demeanor in court, I think I could put on a pretty good performance if I were fighting to avoid the death penalty or a lifetime in prison

Anonymous said...

Mary is getting back what she did to her husband. She played crazy and told a bunch of lies so she would not get life in jail. We all are human and are subject to tell lies, and do other sins regardless of how Holy we claim we are. Vengenance is mine saith the Lord.

Virtuous Lady said...

I totally agree with this statement. Mary Winkler is an impulsive LIER!!!

Anonymous said...
Whatever the circumstances. The fact still remains she shot him in the back while he was sleeping. That is murder, not manslaughter. So is it ok to shot people that treat us wrong? She got away with murder plain and simple.

11/04/2011

Val said...

Mary Winkler may not pay on earth, however; she has her day at judgement. (WE all have to pay at judgement, according to the Bible.) That hefer played the system and walked freely. I can't believe some of you would believe her LIES. If Mary was being abused or talked down to so harshly, why didn't she leave him, the same way she left after she murdered her husband? According to the movie, their seems to be conflicting stories/scenerios that were told. If a person is not happy or being mistreated...LEAVE!!!! I've done it, years ago, and did not regret it one bit!!!

She will Pay said...

No Excuse to Murder Someone!!!..I had family issues, however; I forgave people, and I did not murder anyone.
you sound psyco, the same as you family member!!! Get delivered hun.
Anonymous said...
I knew Mary when she was a little girl. She grew up in a difficult family situation that could easily have given her many distorted views. Unlike most of the writers here, I have sympathy for her, because she simply did not have a chance to be a normal woman. I prefer to be anonymous because I am well known to her family.

5/19/2011

Anonymous said...

Most of you I am sure have never been in an abusive relationship. I have. I was punched in the mouth,kicked beaten. The only difference is her husband was a man of God. How can YOU judge her? Mine was very bad, but my husband was not a preacher. I am in no position to judge and neither are YOU!

Anonymous said...

No one knows what really happened but 3 individuals involvedd...Mary, her husband & God. There are plenty of women that are abused (physically, verbally, mentally, emotionally) and they NEVER say a word. Them & their abuser put up a fascade. Some out of shame, others r still emotionally attached to their abuser. My thought is...she will pay for killing, IF she killed an innocent, she alone has to suffer at the hand of God & have to live with that guilt. As humans we are quick to judge & do not like being judged ourselves. I pray for the kids & everyone that is negatively affected by this tragedy.

MLR2010 said...

I have been reading all of the comments on this. I think all of you have very good arguments. I really don't believe either one of them are innocent. I believe she was abused. It was obvious as she told the courts what she had went through that there was strong emotions. I just don't believe that her killing him was the right thing for her to do. I have also been abused. I was sexually abused for 12 years and then married someone that was abusive to me. I got out, I didn't kill him I just simply got out. There is always a way out. We have no right to judge anyone for anything. The bible does say he who is without sin cast the first stone. Not one person cast a stone because not one person is without sin. She will have to answer for what she has done. There is really no reason to get upset over what she has done. Just let her be and she will answer for it.

Anonymous said...

I was also abused, and i know how hard and embarrasing is for a woman to accept the person who suppossed take care at you, love you cherish you, is the one who hurts you, its very hard to go away and is not very nice to judge because no one is perfect, only God know what happen and he and only him will judge her. Cause he is perfect

norita said...

I feel so sorry for this woman cause it had to be somenting really crazzy that happen to her for her to think that was the only way for her to get out of an abusive husband, and i feel sorry for him because if he really was an abuser was not really his fault sometimes this kind of person come from homes where their fathers were violent, and the learn easy, is a chain or patern kids ussually folow

Anonymous said...

My husband was great to everyone except his family. He was abusive verbally and physically but always sorry and tearful. I believe Mary --especially when she said she awoke the morning before the murder, exhausted. I awoke so many times exhausted, hopeless.
Because if your husband is out of control already, what hell would rain down if you actually did do something that you knew would make him mad?
After my husband passed away I spent years trying to understand why. Why was he so angry? Why did I keep forgiving him? I have since read that policemen and pastors' wives often feel locked into abusive situations and feel ashamed to tell anyone. I pray that none of you who are choosing to judge Mary, as guilty, will ever have to experience the horror of being afraid of the one you love.

Lea said...

He was demon possessed. Evil man.

Anonymous said...

I remember hearing the breaking news the morning of this horrific tragedy. I've been abused and it can make your mind play tricks for sure. I may be being nieve but I never thought she was guilty. He crossed the line that morning with putting his hand over the baby's mouth. I have a son and my one reason for leaving his Father was to protect him from the abuse. I saw and heard so much in the movie to know she's not telling a lie. As the victim with these type situations you always make excuses for the guy. This was self defense for as much the children as her mentally and physcially.

Anonymous said...

I watched this movie, and wondered if it was a true story. I didn't see the beginning and didn't get the chance to watch the ending of the movie due to my schedule. I did a search on the INTERNET to see if it was a true story and it was. That's how I found this blog.
I was very moved by the story, I don't know how close the movie was to the truth. We have to remind ourself that one purpose for stories is to tell a story and to entertain those who watch TV.
As far as who knows what went on behind closed doors, The oldest child can answer those questions. Now her view point will come from a child's perspective, but if the wife was being abused the child will know. She might not understand it all but she will know.
The wife did make a bad choice, I sort of felt sorrow for her but killing the husband was not the right choice. To me it shows that she did have some pride, that's why she properly didn't chose to just have a divorce.
My perspective comes from a child who had parents who were abusive to one another. They ended up getting a divorce. Both of my parents remarried and I still struggle a little with that. But my parents made the right choice. They divorced and I have both of them. They don't get along with one another even to this day. But I have good parents who never abused me. They just couldn't see eye to eye in there relationship. When I speak with them, both say that both of them made mistakes. I know some of those mistakes, because I seen and heard a lot of them. I'm sure there are pieces to my parents story that I don't know all of the information to why they just couldn't get along.
Now what is interesting to me is how will the wife's relationship be to her children, please pray for them. There are a lot of bad seeds that has been placed into the children's lives.

Joe

Anonymous said...

I just watched the movie last night and coming from an abusive ex-marriage ... I have to tell you this woman was horrified!! She had two lives she was living and He was no Saint !!! I would have done the same thing if I knew I could have got away with it. For the sake of me , my children and my insanity... He killed every being being she had including her dreams and if that is a loving and induring marriage then they can keep there relationships cause I don't want it... Happy to say ... It isn't because but She recieved the right verdict in my eyes and and that man is Hell where he belongs !!!!!

Anonymous said...

Sorry what I meant to say was It isn't how a relationship isn't that way because I since remarried and it was the best thing I have ever did ... Have been happily remarried to a great guy for over 10yrs... but if I didn't get help from family to get out and they didn't believe me I would not be here today and neither would my daughter!!! We would be died !!! He woulld have shot us DIED !!! We would have another story to talk about...

CHURCH OF CHRIST MEMBER said...

I too was in an abusive marriage. We had two children together and I had two before I married him. The two that we have together were a boy and a girl. My children saw the abuse. He abused me mentally and physically. But I had police reportsreports to prove it. And also EVERYONE knew because I often called the police. BUT, he was liked by lots of people because he only MISTREATED his family. I don't think anyone ever told him that he was wrong, besides me and my family (my siblings and patents). My daughter (his child) grew up disliking me because she didn't understand what was happening and he told hrr bad things about me. As she grew older, she understood that he was abusive. She resented him and to this day,(she's 21) still does. So Mary's oldest child probably didn't understand either. I am a Church of Christ member and we believe that you can only divorce if your spouse commits adultery. (matthew 19:9) THAT is probably why Mary didn't divorce him. But as for killing him, there is no justification. His will judge her, as He will us all. NO sin is greater than the other, except BLASPHEMY against the Word. She didn't get away with murder, BECAUSE YOU NEVER GET AWAY WITH SIN. By the way, my husband ended up leaving me because my son (25 years old) grew tired of his abuse and fought him for abusing me and my children. After awhile the abuse became only mentally, but that was just as bad. And to this day, my husband (we're not divorced)blames me and my son. So, please, if you're being abused, GET OUT BEFORE THERE'S A TRAGEDY.

Anonymous said...

@CHURCH OF CHRIST MEMBER

Sorry,if I read that wrong but did you say your husband left YOU,and you were the one being abused?& You still have not divorced him because of (matthew 19:9)?

CHURCH OF CHRIST MEMBER said...

Yes, I did say that. My soul is more important than this world. Eternity is typo long to spend in HELL. GOD gave us the Bible to follow as Christians, if we want to spend Eternity with Him...AND I DO. If he files for divorce, I'll sign. But until then, God's Word is GOLDEN! I don't hate my husband. How can I hate him who I have seen and profess to Love God who I haven't? I AM A CHRISTIAN AND LOVE EVERYONE.

Kim said...

Kim I grew up in a very abuisve family. My father would beat my mother and I even seen him throw her down a flight of stairs. All 6 of my brothers and sisters where hit with belts or closed fist. We would tell people and they would say not our father... He would tell people that the kids where playing around or fell, LIES!!!! Finally, after 15 years of the abuse we where finally taken away because a teacher listened to me and seen the marks. Thank God I did have somebody stand up for us then. I still have no contact with my father but, my other siblings due. They forgave him , I can not. I think Mary Winkler was innocent. You really never know what is going on behind close doors. Only God does. I hope she has a better life and her kids forgive her and they are all happy.

Anonymous said...

@Justin: Winkler cannot legally become a mental health counselor, because that requires a graduate degree and a license.

Anonymous said...

Omfg! Christians are total Narcissus. Until I got a mind of my own, I sat in a morman church next to my abusive father. I tried to talk to the Bishop and he said that's just what fathers did. I tried to tell the authorities and the guy told me and my siblings we deserved the mental and physical abuse. Then I grew up became a pagan and married. My husband told me he'd rather masterbate then be with me. After a night of doing drugs he came home. I had surgery and was outta the hospital for a day. My beige was there and got frightened by something. My husband lunged for her. I stepped in front so he wouldn't hit her. I called my sister and told her my husband had hit me. My husband then stole 3 guns and was trying to find me. I had left my sisters for the dv shelter. He told everyone that he was going to kill me. I had a friend call my house to check my messages. He answered. You could hear him screaming at her to tell him where I was at. He got arrested. He started sending letters to my parents house telling me he was sorry. I almost believed him. Then I fell in love. True honest love. My ex was sentenced to 7 yrs. While at the dv shelter I heard stories from women that were with their abusers for 20 or so yrs. That makes me sick! Mary shouldn't have kept herself subjected to whatever he did. Women need to stand up and not be abused. She killed her husband cause she didn't know what to do. I believe she should've given her life for the one she took. That's why ppl don't believe in our justice system. It sucks for everyone

Anonymous said...

It is so much deception out here. This was a hard case, only God knows what happened. If she faked it all, then woe unto her. It still didn't justify murder. hope she truly repended in her heart, but if she didn't judgement is still there. If her husband was innocent, then he is in glory. But if he was guilty then....there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth in that place, we call HELL

Starr said...

So sad that a woman who is so abused ends up to be the bad guy. Domestic violence is a silent killer. That bastard got what he deserved!

anonomyous said...

I grew up in an abusive household. My father beat my mother very often over things that meant nothing. Like she filled his cup of soda to the brim and it was her fault that he spilled it. Or she would be abused because she was looking at other men and thinking of having an affair because "he knew how she thought". Mind you she never cheated on him but he did cheat on her twice that I knew of. He loves porn and objectifies women. He even would make comments about my siblings and my female friends. He has made abscene comments to my older brother's girlfriends then would tell my brother that these girls are sluts and loved being hit on by an older man. My father on several occasions had the pastor of church come to our house to council my mother about her wicked ways. And it said she just wasn't being a good wife. My father was abusive to us children to but he was just "disciplining" us. But the "church" always says its the women's fault and she's not being a good wife!!! But in christainity the man is the head of the family and needs to have his family in line. This is sick and disgusting!!! Why is we hear stories all the time of pastors being abusive, cheating on their wives and beating their chIldren and it's all over looked or they are forgiven. I can understand why Mary winkler felt she had no way out. My mother feels the same way. I hate to admit it but there were days I wish she would have killed him but she never had. She is still with him and I have no contact with my parents. My mother is not allowed to have contact with me. But men use the bible and word "of god" as an excuse for their actions. And peoPle wonder way I don't believe in organized religion anymore.

Anonymous said...

There are always to three sides to every story hers, his, and the truth! Unfortunately we will never know two of those sides he is dead and the truth is not going to be given! I'm sure there was probably some abuse but we don't know the truth!

Anonymous said...

@CHURCH OF CHRIST MEMBER

You have an obligation to protect yourself.Do you think God would approve of the way you are living your life right now?The bible says to LOVE yourself.You are aware that you are in an abusive situation and you choose to stay.You choose to be in harm's way.That is not loving yourself.

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nana said...

Many emotionally abused women live a lifetime in silent pain....a few snap and do the unspeakable, but not the unthinkable. They think about it everytime he touches them or everytime their heart and mind are broken and bruised. In the Winkler case, as with all others, God will judge. I have lived the life........

Anonymous said...

A person is supposed to be innocent until proven guilty and Mary could not prove abuse in the marriage. Their were no bruises and know records to show abuse. She didn't use the abuse card until she saw the way her kids treated her when they came to visit her in prison. Now I'm not saying that abuse wasn't there, but it wasn't proven. On the other hand, for all the bible scholars, the bible talks about God giving Moses the laws to write which was called the Ten Commandments and one of those commandments clearly states "THOU SHALL NOT KILL". It don't seem that this couple of christians was doing God's will preaching the gospel because they were called by God but for a occupation and to draw a paycheck. And by the way, Whatever happened to prayer. It seems that people don't use that anymore, but prayer still changes things! I'm just saying

COGA

Anonymous said...

If I had a bullet for everytime somebody treated me bad, there would be a whole lot of people dead in America. I don't care how bad he treated her. Noone deserves to die because someone feels that they are mistreating them. I saw this on SNAPPED. Didn't she say at first that it was an accident caused by the cat startling her? Then she changed her story to being an abused wife. I am so disgusted by women playing the abuse card to get off when there are women in the world really going through something like that. I am a woman and I wanted her to rot in HELL! This was down right wrong. I wouldn't want anyone to kill my son because he was mean to them.

She had stolen money from the church before all this happened and her husbands family bailed her out of that. He stayed with her under the circumstances that she change her poor spending habits. He gave her an ultimatum to change her ways or he was going to leave her and take his children, because she kept getting them in debt with her terrible spending habits. When those banks called her she was afraid that he would be true to his word so she shot him while he was sleeping. She killed him because he was going to find out that she had mismanaged money again and got them in TERRIBLE debt! She is a cold blooded MURDERER, just like Casey Anthony!

I'm happy she has MS. GOD has taken the strength out of right hand because she used it to do evil. I hope she becomes paralyzed. You can fool the people , but GOD knows your sins. And she is paying for hers.

Man From Big Horn said...

Number#1:Matthew's oldest daughter testified that she never heard her father putting down her mother. Remember that she lived with them for years and can't even recalled a situation so severely as Mary claimed. Nothing.
Number #2: There was a financial crisis going on that Mary caused upon her family. I'm sure her husband had every reason to be pissed off. It's normal to confront someone who did not do it wisely.
Number #3: Who cares if the husband wanted his wife to dress in something that may arouse him? If the wife do not feel comfortable, then the husband should know that the bible states consensual agreement between husband and wife in whatever they do in bed?
Number #4: Mary changed the story repeatedly with the police. It shouldn't be in the first place.
Number #5: Mary told the police that Matthew was a good man. Then what is it ?
Number #6: Too many women here crying out their awful experience should not be projecting themselves in this case. Sound like their husbands were indeed awful men, but Matthew? There is no evidence in his wrongdoing. Not even a report of abuse. Many people know him as a good man.
Number#7: Divorce is always an option. There is a quote saying "Life's full of exits". Why not? Mary murdered him for a certain reason.
Number #8: Matthew's dying word was "Why?". Mary ripped away the phone. She wanted him to die in cold blood. Her intention was a 1st degree murder.
Number #9: I did not know that 10 out of 12 jurors were female. Maybe some of them have been abused, but it seem that this jury group was grossly unbalanced. If it was me, I would not go along with their acquittal option. Why? No evidence of any abuse.

Anonymous said...

Man From Big Horn and previous Anonymous: YOU are exactly right! Most of these people on here are absolute fools.....and when you argue with a fool it is hard to tell who the fool is. I believe she was indeed about to be found out..SO...she murdered him in cold blood, and has gotten away with it. Slick...very slick. This just opens the door for anyone to cry abuse....and evidence SHOWED NO PHYSICAL ABUSE, and kill someone and get by with it.....and these people vote!!! NO wonder we have what we do in the oval office...idiots voting...

Anonymous said...

Interesting. We kids watched our father abuse our father, a deacon in the church for many years. My mother would talk to the minister and deacons (all men) about her misery, fear, physical pain etc., and these men would tell her to be patient and "let God take care of it." My mother, a daughter of an abusive Baptist minister, patience ran out and she decided to divorce my abusive father. Once the minister and deacons learned that my mother had left my abusive father, they came to talk to her. They told her that God would not approve of her actions; that she was breaking up her family and we would be scarred for life; that she had taken an oath to stand by my abusive father "for better or worst;" that God would punish her in the coming years and that she would be banned for the church for breaking a vow she had made to God. My mother, finally strong in her determination said, "My God does not want me and my children to suffer any longer with this bas**rd, so it appears that we don't believe in the same God - now get off my porch.

Many women, like my mother suffer for years in abusive relationships that are held together by beliefs that men have control of her life and God favors men over women. Thank goodness, my mother came into her strength before her daughters grew up and married the same type of man and followed a male dominated, sexist church.

My husband and I don't go to church; we worship God through nature, compassion towards others, volunteering at the homeless shelter and loving people and animals. Churches are male dominated and rule and any woman who doesn't see that, is controlled by a man or men and doesn't benefit women one spit.

I applaud Mary Winkler for killing that SOB and only wish that she had done it sooner. Justice was served to him.

Anonymous said...

You so called religious people are such HYPOCRITES. WHERE'S YOUR HUMANITY?

Kissy said...

None of you know what actually was happening behind closed doors, so you all just need to STOP! Only God has the right to judge. If she did it, she'll get hers back. If she didn't, well, then she didn't. And from my experience of being abused, Man From Big Horn: Abusers don't abuse in front of people. Idiot. They do it when no one else can see or hear them. You obviously don't know what you're talking about, like most of the people commenting on this. And to the person who wrote this, M.S. is NOT in any way psychosomatic. Didn't realize you had a medical degree.

Someone Somewhere said...

The church of Christ is very much against women having any authority and they are taught from a young age to be subservient and do the man's bidding. Women are very much repressed in that environment. There are many horrible things done in the name of God.

As for if Mary did murder her husband in cold blood, I suppose she is the only one who knows besides God but on the other hand if what she said was true, I understand why she snapped. It's not OK, but I understand it and part of me says.....he deserved it, although I know it's not right.

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Anonymous said...

How did she not do federal time for counterfeiting checks?!?!?

Anonymous said...

Please don't speak of the Church of Christ "ways" if you are not a member.....and for those of you who don't know Mary, or didn't know Matthew, please stop talking about them like you are. It has been 6 years and this is still painful to those of us who were close to him.

danny said...

I wont take either side but everyone thinks they should say something cause they think they're right and they don't even know the whole real truth. I do not and for that reason i will not say nothing either way. So for everyone else who thinks they should leave their opinion just stop it. Live and let live.

Anonymous said...

There was no evidence that Mary Winkler was abused. Please don't mix your personal experiences into this. Do you guys know that the bank was going to contact her husband and tell him how she got scammed, on the day she killed him? She just made lame excuses to why she killed her husband. I hate that some cold-blooded murderer can get away by accusing the deceased of abuse without any evidence at all. I don't get why people instantly believe that she was abused when there are clearly evidence that points to her being a cold-blooded murderer.

Great Debater said...

Interesting that so many who do not "believe" MW also quote information from the movie. For instance, if you believe his last words were "Why?" Then you actually do believe MW. She was the only one there and that movie was based on her accounts of what happened. SHE could've waited for him to die and plugged the phone back in. She could've said he forged her signature on the checks. She could've killed him, her kids and herself.

Great Debater said...

I watched this movie and began researching this case. Right after I watched it, there was a movie called "Secrets of Eden". Well-to-do family, pillars of the community. He beat her, threw her down a flight of stairs and she put him out for 4 months. Just after he came back home...oops, he beat her to death while their teenager was with friends and then his daughter shoots him in the head after returning home finding her mother dead and father passed out drunk. Wife had been baptized the day before. A friend said hubby whipped wife like a dog for years...including 2 days before she died. The lead investigator who knew the family said, "I had no idea". An "investigator" couldn't see the signs of abuse? Interesting! Oh--and he only beat her when the kid was away (according to the friend) because he adored his daughter. Perhaps both these couples are a message to everyone about our own perceptions of right/wrong. Whose responsibility is it to know? Slaves were beat with whips and chains and didn't leave the plantation even though they outnumbered their owners. Why is it so hard to believe someone would stay in a bad situation for fear of what may happen if they unsuccessfully try to leave? For those who say there was no evidence of abuse...where is the evidence of non-abuse? 3 in 4 women are abused. Probably your wife, mom, sister, cousins have been abused--if you don't personally know one woman who has been abused then that is evidence someone in YOUR life isn't telling you what they are going through. Maybe they feel like they don't have enough PROOF-- I mean, are you really going to check the anus to see if there is tearing? Even when all hell is breaking loose an abused person (man, woman or child) develops self-preservation techniques. Kids may horde food even with a fridge full because they've been beaten, displaced or starved or otherwise traumatized. But you have to LOOK and CARE to SEE. For those of us who have called this woman names--including cold-blooded murder, heifer, etc....who have called this man names...just like they answer for what they did to one another. So do we. Bible says "Let not a rotten saying exit your mouth". Perhaps we shouldn't use the Bible to commit sin. Let us not quote scripture, then hurl insults. Words have power. If they didn't Mr. Winkler's last words wouldn't be so significant. "Not Guilty" would mean nothing. The Bible does say "judge not..." and it says Lovers of God hate what is bad. That includes murder--not just of abused husbands, wives and children--but all of it. Murder is an interesting thing. In our judicial system anyone who has anything to do with the crime can stand judgement. Let's think about what that may just mean for God's system of judgment. Makes me think about how my words affect people, how I treat others in traffic. . . maybe you don't know what you've done that contributed to someone else taking action. Ever bullied anyone? Hit another person? Told a lie? Maybe we don't pick up guns when people upset us--but God describes the tongue as a sword. The wages of all sin is death. No one "deserves" bad according to people in the physical world. In the spiritual we all deserve death. So, before we muddle over the details of another's flaws and failings and fault, we should probably go and pray for our own souls. For those who don't believe in God--He still loves you. For those abused and fallen from faith-don't let evil drive away what is good. Your heart is telling you to seek Christ and THAT has nothing to do a denomination.